All the Chips on the Table

CBS Sunday Morning still has the feel of appointment television, even when you’re watching it on Paramount+ at a later time. In the most recent edition, one of the segments featured political strategist Steve Bannon interviewed by senior contributor Ted Koppel. (Yes, that Ted Koppel—the longtime host of ABC’s Nightline.)

Who is Steve Bannon?
Steve Bannon is a former investment banker, media executive, and political operative who became widely known as executive chairman of Breitbart News and as a key strategist in Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign. He served briefly as White House chief strategist early in the first Trump administration before returning to media as host of the War Room podcast, where he has remained a prominent voice for the MAGA movement, populist nationalism, and Republican electoral strategy. He has also faced legal consequences, including a 2022 contempt-of-Congress conviction related to the January 6 investigation and a guilty plea in a fundraising fraud case tied to a border-wall charity.

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In the interview (conducted in Bannon’s “War Room”), Koppel pressed him on the durability of Trumpism and the stakes of the 2026 midterms. Bannon described himself as the leading advocate for a third term for President Trump, arguing that the 22nd Amendment’s term limits could be worked around through “a number of different alternatives” and that “you could drive a truck through that amendment.” He acknowledged such an effort would be contested in the courts but framed it as consistent with the constant legal challenges the administration already faces.

On the 2020 election, Bannon was unyielding, stating that “the core belief of the MAGA movement is we won the 2020 election.” When Koppel noted the certified results and the many court losses, Bannon maintained that the cases never fully reached the merits because of standing issues. He also discussed his approach to political filmmaking, defending techniques inspired by Leni Riefenstahl’s powerful propaganda films. He called her “one of the most powerful filmmakers ever” and said his aim has been to recreate the force of those films to give ordinary people a voice, even while acknowledging she was “amoral” and worked for the Nazis.

Looking ahead to the midterms, Bannon warned that Republicans “can’t afford to lose.” He sketched a scenario in which a Democratic House would turn the White House into “Fort Apache,” with impeachments of figures such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Pete Hegseth and a steady stream of subpoenas aimed at the administration. His prescription was total commitment: “push all our chips in the middle of the table… there’s no retreat, and there’s no substitute for victory. Let’s fight like hell.” When Koppel suggested this meant doing “whatever it takes,” Bannon replied, “Exactly.”

The conversation also covered broader trends—the rise of populist and nationalist movements abroad (including Germany’s AfD), the ground game of Democratic Socialists in places like New York and Texas, media as an adversarial force, and Bannon’s view of Trump as a once-in-a-generation historical figure. Throughout, the exchange underscored the intensity of the current political moment as seen from one of the movement’s most prominent strategists.